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Featured Member Review #1 
by CK99

2003 Carbon Blue Hatchback
Premium Pkg. w/ Auto.Trans.
 
Introduction
 
I've been talking the talk for the past month, so it's time to walk the walk. Er, review that is.
 
First off, I'm not a mechanic nor do I know anything about how a car actually works. Those of you looking for in depth information about whether the compression ratio lives up to the specs (or whatever else technical there is) are reading the wrong review. As well, those of you looking for a thorough review of how the car drives and handles compared to other vehicles are in the wrong place as well. Tons of other reviews take a look at that to death. This is simply going to relate to you my thoughts on owning and operating the car in my daily life for the past month, and will start with my decision making process behind purchasing the car.

           

Prior to the actual review, some background. I'm a university student and was looking to get a new car. My previous cars lease (a 2000 Chevy Cavalier), was coming to an end in July 2003. I started looking at the 2003 model cars as they were introduced in the fall, and by January had narrowed it down to either the Nissan Sentra GXE, or the Mazda Protege5. I wasn't even considering Hyundai or Kia at all, due to their reputations of being unreliable cheap cars.

           

That all changed when I went to the 2003 Canadian International Auto Show in February. I looked at all the cars in this class, to keep an open mind. Up until that point, I had only read about the cars in magazines, newspapers, or online. This was my first chance to actually sit in them, and see all the features in person. After a few short hours, I realized I had correctly narrowed it down to the Sentra or Protege5. I even remember sitting in the Protege5 and smiling, thinking to myself THIS is going to be my new car!

           

Of course, at that point I found the Hyundai exhibit and noticed what looked to be a SAAB sitting in it. I wandered over to check it out, perplexed. It was only then that I first laid eyes on the Elantra GT. I played with the car for a good 20 minutes, and walked away thinking I had just added a distant #3 to my list of possible cars.

           

After doing some research online, I discovered that over the last few model years Hyundai had really improved in quality quite a bit. They no longer seemed to deserve the horrible reputation they had garnered. The Elantra had just moved up my list to a strong #2, behind the Protege5.

           

As I did more research online I discovered this tiny club devoted to the Elantra GT. The people seemed really nice, and were all enthusiastic owners of the car. I lurked on their message board for a long time while still ever pondering my decision. As I read more and more, and saw how happy these people were, the Elantra slowly grew on me, eventually becoming my first choice.

           

I FINALLY went for test drives in May. The closest Hyundai dealership was my first stop, and I loved the car. I quickly saw many of the little things that people had talked about at the Club, and just made me realize the benefits to having so many owners to talk to. I was almost ready to sign the papers on the spot when I finished the test drive. That all changed when we got into the showroom, and the salesman did up a quote. He took the MSRP, and added 10% in admin fees. He was doing the stereotypical slimy car salesman routine, and totally disgusted me. I politely thanked him for his time and walked out the door, drove up the street, and parked in front of the Mazda dealer.

           

Talk about a total opposite! The Mazda salesman was nice as could be, and GAVE me a car to test drive! He didnt want to come with, because he felt it might pressure me. So after showing me all the features, he closed my door, told me to have fun and to come back when I was finished the test drive. I loved the car, but compared to the Elantra I had just driven, it just wasnt as comfortable, came with as many features, or drove as well. The steering seemed mushy, almost like the computer controlling the power portion was lagged.

           

The Elantra was still #1.

           

The Nissan dealership was a joke. They were just introducing the 2004's, had very few 2003's, and I think the person helping me was experiencing her first day on the job. She knew nothing, couldn't do anything, and took forever. The car itself just couldn't compare to my other two choices.

           

With my choice firmly made, it was just a matter of finding the right dealer for me. I eventually did, and took possession of a brand new 2003 Carbon Blue Elantra GT with automatic transmission and Canadian Premium Package.

           

For my southern neighbours, the Canadian Premium Package includes heated leather seats, abs, traction control, and a moonroof. I'm sure a number of you are thinking, C'mon, get to the review itself!. Well, here you go.

 

The Review

 

Since this is simply my own thoughts on the vehicle, I'll organize it based on what I really like, and what I find annoying. These annoyances range from tiny and insignificant things that make me go oh to idiotic things that make me go what the #$*& were they thinking?!.

 

There are tons of things I like about the car, but these are the ones that really stand out in my mind:

 

þ     Heated leather seats. I've only used these a few times now, and mostly just for the novelty of it late at night when driving. It's the summer after all, and who wants to use heated seats when its 35 degrees out? (95*F for all you yankee's out there). Why is this the first like I mention if I really haven't had a chance to use it yet then? Easy, anticipation for how the seats will be when its -20*C out in the winter! Click here for a photo!

 

þ     Sunroof. I've never owned a car with a moonroof/sunroof before. It may just be the novelty of being new, but I love having the sun shining down on me and tons of wind while driving.

 

þ     Traction control. Again, a feature that I'll love during those cold winter days where theres 2 feet of newly fallen snow, covering up that inch of newly fallen ice.

 

þ     Distance the remote works. This I'm comparing to my old car, the 2000 Cavalier. That car had remote entry as well, with a Car locator button (or so the dealer claimed, in reality it was a panic button). The remote worked from MAXIMUM 7 feet away, with a fresh battery. It's refreshing to find the Elantra remote works from 100 feet away (the max I've tested it).

 

þ     Versatility of the hatchback design. This was one of the things that drew me to both the Protege5 and the Elantra GT. Cargo capacity of a small SUV, driving style of a sedan. I've found this extremely useful in the short time I've owned the car. I fit a 19 Viewsonic CRT monitor box in the hatch with no problem. I didn't even have to fold down the seats, just had to take off the privacy cover. Transporting a similar monitor in my Cavalier was a challenge unto itself, requiring moving the passenger seat all the way forward, and wedging the box into the back seat.

 

þ     Ability to fold down the rear seats completely. This is really the same as the last point, but it was a specific plus the elantra had over the Protege5. The rear seats bottoms fold forward, making the seat backs fold fully down. There's a downside to this though, which I talk about later on.

 

þ     All the little storage nooks. Albeit a small thing, this is one of those features that makes the Elantra stand out from the crowd. After I test drove it for the first time, I kept looking around my Cavalier wondering Why didn't they do that too? There is a ton of wasted space in most cars, and I'm happy to say that Hyundai really went the extra mile to fill many of those spaces with storage bins. Of specific mention is the double arm rest in-between the front seats. Other cars I've had have a storage bin here, but the Elantras double bin (one small one on top of a large one) is really useful. I can keep smaller items in the top, so I don't have to look around a large bin for them.

 

þ     6 speakers. I'm not sure if its the quality or quantity of speakers here, but CDs sound much better in the Elantra than they did in my Cavalier. It also makes the car seem more valuable than it really is, since most cars in this class only have 4 speakers.

 

þ     Heated side mirrors. Once again, a feature I'll find most useful in the winter.

 

þ     Trip Computer. I find that since the computer includes a Distance to Empty reading, I never have to even look at my gas tank gauge. No more guessing can I make it or can I leave filling up until I get back type thing. The average gas mileage is a useful thing, but for me, I could take it or leave it. I guess it will help in later years to serve as an indicator of something being wrong, but for now, I don't use it at all.

 

Like everything though, there are some imperfections with the Elantra GT. The majority of these are minor things that really dont bother me, but they do annoy me to some extent:

 

ý     Reputation. Easily the thing that bugs me the least is the reputation Hyundai has. I'm talking about the way some people's look of excitement when you tell them that you just got a new car changes into a look of disgust when you say its a Hyundai. C'mon people! This isn't the Hyundai of 10 years ago. They know that research everything to death and that I'd never buy a POS product, so why just assume that Hyundai still makes crap cars?

 

ý    Lack of lighting in the rear. This doesn't bother ME that much, as the driver, but many people have complained to me that the back is too dark at night. Since I got the sunroof, the only interior lights are moved from a middle dome light to the very front middle. It's great for the front seats, but the back is totally dark. I can understand that a dome light might be impossible to include because of the sunroof, but why couldn't they put lights on each side? Another family car we have is a 95 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. It has no sunroof, but still doesn't include a dome light. Instead, it has 2 map lights in the front very close to where the Elantras are, and 2 small lights in the rear, above each door. They're part of the handle area, where you can hang clothes from hangers. They work off the main switch for all interior lights, or can be activated independently. This solution would have been IDEAL for the Elantra GT, and why Hyundai didn't include it is a mystery to me.

 

ý    Lack of rear cup holders. Yet again, a feature that only bothers those in the back seat. In the Elantra sedan the rear cupholders are built into the bench seat, and hide away when not needed. I can understand why Hyundai couldn't include these with the GT, due to the fold-down seats. But why could they not find an alternate location? Some sort of cup holder built into the front center armrest that folds out for those in the back would have been perfect.

 

ý     No specific change holder ala GM and Chrysler vehicles: This annoyed me greatly at first, since every other car my family has had over the last 10 years has had a change compartment. Independent holders for nickels, dimes, and quarters. It's great for preventing your change from rattling around, and allowing easy access to it when needed (ie: parking meters, grocery carts). The solution for me was to use the ashtray as the change compartment. I don't smoke, and the tray has a little recessed area at the back. I used one of those non-lint clothes used to clean glasses to cover the tray, and just keep my change there. It's not as good as a dedicated compartment, but it works.

 

ý    Clock. Or should I say, the CLOCK. Why, oh why did you include such a monstrosity Hyundai?!! Sitting in the middle of the dash is an ugly boring green digital clock. It looks totally out of place, doesnt dim, and doesn't even match the rest of the colour scheme of the car.

 

ý     Colour Scheme of the Dash Lights: The BLUE (they claim purple, but I'm convinced its a shade of blue) gauges are awesome. Really unique, and looks great! Too bad the rest of the interior doesnt match it. The heating and radio controls are different shades of green, and the clock is yet a totally different shade of ugly green. They should have standardized the interior colours, preferably all to match the awesome blue/purple of the gauges.

 

ý     Controls for the Sunroof. First off, the controls for the sunroof dont light up at night, making them hard to see. Unless you happen to have experience with them and know what each switch does, you just guess which button to hit. A bit of a glow would have been helpful, similar to the window controls. Also, an automatic feature would be great, where you can just press the button once and the roof opens on its own, or closes on its own.

 

ý     Auto Dim. While great to have, the auto-dim feature could be longer. For those of you who don't know, this feature keeps the lights on for a few seconds after you enter the vehicle, I guess to give you time to start the engine. My Cavalier had an auto dim of about 2 minutes, or until you turned on the ignition. The Elantras just isn't long enough for me, and the first night I had it I ended up scratching area around the ignition. Hyundai Canada doesnt offer the glow area around the ignition, so its just a black space at night.

 

ý     Remote can't make the car beep. I just had to throw this one in with the list. I used to annoy the hell out of friends by pressing the panic button just as they thought the car was open. Not a real complaint though. On the serious side however, I do miss the fact that my Cavalier beeped when you pressed the door lock twice on the remote, to indicate that the car was indeed locked. I know the Elantra flashes the lights, but an audible beep would be nice.

 

ý     Shifting of the automatic gear shift. The automatic gear shift goes down to 3rd without the button pressed, instead of D like every other car I've ever driven. I'm used to just pressing the button only as I exit park, and then going down all the way since it usually automatically stops in D. This is just something I just had to become accustomed to thought, and after a week, was already second nature.

 

ý    Front sun visors. The mirror on the front visors is off to a side, so if you use a CD holder on the visors the Velcro prevents the mirror from opening. The same CD holder also prevents the visor from folding fully up against the front windshield, since it is attached a little bit further in than in some other cars. This hasn't been a problem in any other car I've used the cd holder in. This is a temporary problem though, since I plan to upgrade to an MP3 cd player in the future. I won't have a need to keep the cd holder in the car any longer once I get this. Click here for photo.

 

ý     Ability to fold down the rear seats completely. As I said earlier, this is a great feature. HOWEVER, Hyundai created a design flaw in it. When the seat bottoms are folded out, the metal frame that holds them in place is exposed. When the seat backs are then folded down, creating the totally flat cargo area, the leather on the top of the seat backs rests on the metal frames. After reading the forum attached to this club, many people found that the leather was getting scratched or cut. The first thing I did after bringing the car home was take an old foam anti-snoring pillow from 17 years ago and cut wedges to cover the frame (see photos here). Now if I need to fold the seats flat, I just put the foam in between the metal frame and the leather seat. The work-around is easy, but I shouldnt have to do this. Hyundai should have realized there was a problem and corrected it before the car ever left design.

 

ý     Hatch Light. This is my one HUGE complaint about the car. The light in the hatch is a joke, and provides next to no assistance at all. It's a tiny little thing over on the right side,  that becomes totally blocked when the hatch has any cargo in it. They should have included a light on the hatch door itself that shines down into the cargo area. I'm considering what to do about this that won't be a major modification, since it's a leased car. For now, I've resorted to a trusty flashlight.

 

Final Thoughts

 

So after looking at this huge list of red complaints, and a smaller list of likes, you might be thinking Im sorry about my decision. That's the furthest thing from the truth. Im EXTREMELY happy about getting the Elantra GT. I love the car, and would make the decision over again in a heartbeat.  

           

I should also point out that many people on this forum and others have complained about very thin paint that is easily scratched. My car is Carbon Blue, and in the 1 month I've owned it there's not a single scratch. (Nuts, I'm asking for trouble..it will get dinged tomorrow with my luck.) This was even after going to the cottage and traveling on unpaved roads.

 

I hope this review (or maybe rambling of thoughts is a better term) helps some of you considering the Elantra GT in making your decision. If you get one, you really won't regret it!

 

- CK
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Special thanks must go out to member CK99 for this well thought out, exceptionally detailed
review. This is a tremendous effort and a great contribution to the club. - GT Man

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Featured Member Review #2
by humanlightning
 
Being asian, my inclination is towards compacts. More with less. And that is what you get with the Elantra GT. I was down to 3 vehicles: 03 Civic 4D Sport, 03 Corolla S, and 03 Elantra GT. The Corolla S was dumped early, although the outside is a bit more hip, the inside still reeks conservative (stiff ride, upright seating). So we were down to the test drives of the Civic and the Elantra GT.. I relied on my apprehension to feed my research.. Trust your research, be apprehensive, and let the Elantra test drive CONVINCE you...

EXTERIOR
You have to get the tall spoiler for the Elantra GT.. Then you have a pseudo mini Infinite G35.. The hood deflector also offsets the funny front if that euro grille isn't your thing.. But I do like the exterior, with the flowing lines, it all grows on you.. My fave are the redundant red marker lights at the back, great for visibility.. Also a key point not found in new cars nowadays, is the turn signal being yellow, and at the corners where they are most effective.. New cars lately have been moving the turn signals more to car centre, on the front and back (duh)..

INTERIOR
First thing I picked at on the Civic vs Elantra test drive was wind & road noise.. Man oh man, the Civic has a bassful wind roar !! The Elantra is more a whishing sound, but it disappears with the sunshade pulled over.. The Elantra is far more spacious than the outside leads you.. My 6'2" friend didn't even get his knees touched when I backed up the driver's seat all the way.. The front seats are heated!! The driver's seat is 3 way adjustable, plus has a lumbar adjustment ! You must get the Premium Package for the leather, and sunroof !! The indiglo console makes night driving something to look forward to.. There's storage spaces in all directions.. Here's the neato space multiplexer !! Aside from the fold down rear back rests, the rear seat cushions fold over.. Such that when everything in the passenger compartment is folded down, your hatch back now becomes a FULL FLATBED hatchback !! The 2 minor beefs are: back headrests, and weak rear speakers.. The backhead rests came off before I drove the car off the lot, and are STILL in my trunk.. They are blind spot boosters, but this applies to any car with back headrests.. The rear speakers are weak and sub-par, compared to the front 4 speakers.. But my car music is a joy again..

ENGINE/TRANNY
It's a QUIET 2.0L with 135hp.. Quiet must be from the special floating substructure and engine cradle that the engine sits on.. The auto shifts very smoothly, but highway uphill onramps will take a bit more effort.. HOWEVER, I anticipate getting a speeding ticket soon, this car doesn't give a hint you are going fast..

RIDE
The sports suspension registers bumps with a thunk.. But otherwise the motions are dampened very well.. Turning is very refined.. And my 2 buddies who are car slalom instructors, marvelled at how the Elantra handles better than the Civic.. They loved the controled suspension, and the predictable linear braking of the Elantra.. Please see the Comments link (below) for my reply to a braking question..

VALUE
Yes because of market mentality, you will suffer a devaluation when you drive this baby off the lot.. So what? Keep it and drive it till the wheels fall off.. You'll get a superb features vs dollar bargain.. PLUS, Hyundai is HUNGRY to eat into everyone else's market.. They will "do what it takes to EARN your business".. We started bargaining at Can$200 (US$ 150) above the dealer invoice, then we continued bargaining with the add-ons... You will not get this much bargaining room with Honda or Toyota.. AND after the sale, I have been a pain in the butt with the service/parts department, with too many particular technical questions.. But they returned my call within the hour.. Hyundai isn't a Honda or Civic by repute.. But remember when we all shed "It's a Sony" and discovered all the other consumer electronics that had caught up with Sony ??

MISC BACKGROUND
Hyundai is being seen by NAFTA as a serious threat.. Hyundai is the only auto company that can supply it's own steel and tools for auto manufacture.. Hyundai has invested a large amount into their R&D, this explains the quality and value turn around.. You tell me where all these R&D Japanese Yens are nowadays in Japan's deflated economy.. Conspiracy theorists will tell you there is a reason why Elantra GT has as high an insurance rate as a Civic, and it has nothing to do with comparable crash/theft rates !!

MINOR ATTENTIONS TO DETAIL..
The rear seatbelts have an extra tongue for storage position.. This way they don't lay around the cushions.. The car comes with an alarm and immobilizer !! My mechanic marveled at the superb layout of the engine compartment and undercarriage.. He said this car would be a dream to service quick.. The hatch has an inner handle for closing.. This prevents scuffing the paint when shutting the hatch.. The trunk has edge protectors along the bottom, for when you shove that futon in.. The trip computer can calculate how much distance before you run empty, no more prayers to the gas gods..

CONCLUSION
Levi's is no longer jeans.. Sony is no longer audio-video.. Intel is no longer processors.. Superb compacts are no longer Honda or Toyota..
Honda or Toyota will have your mind in theory.. But research every car review site out there.. Read ALL the reviews on the Elantra, find the good points in the bad reviews.. Then take some hobby racers with you on the test drive, let the Elantra GT test drive convince you.. Then contain your excitement as you hammer out a superb bargain with the salesperson who will "work to earn your business".... Then pester the service department because they are more than glad to be of service !!
Be apprehensive, the Elantra GT is for SMART shoppers.. Not choose by default SHEEP !!

AFTER 5000km's
I broke the car in HARD very HARD, just like knowledgable auto folks told me to do (read articles on the web for this- interesting).. And I did an early oil change too.. Anyway no probs yet on the car, even with that unorthodox break-in.. It's a good feeling seeing other Elantra GT drivers on the road, and marvelling at a fellow SMART shopper..

AFTER CAR CONTROL SCHOOL @ 8,000km's
I took the car to a Car Control School about a month ago.. This is a driver's school where they put your car in extreme situations (hard braking, hard turning, skids etc) so that you are trained in the physics of your car and are better prepared in actual emergency situations.. WELL WELL WELL suffice to say, I wanted to push this car hard in these extreme control situations to see what my money and faith in Hyundai has got.. WELL WELL WELL the car passed resoundingly.. Details below:

ABS BRAKES
The instructor gave us a specific excercise in sudden obstacle avoidance under hard braking and turning.. Part of the excercise was to find out WHEN the ABS kicked in, and WHAT KIND of ABS my vehicle had.. It turns out the Elantra GT has the GOOD kind of 4 channel ABS.. The kind that you CAN slam the brakes on AND try to steer with while the brake is slammed.. WHY ?? The Elantra's ABS computer is SMART ENOUGH to be able to know when to GIVE BACK some of the braking traction to steering traction, so that you have both steering control and stopping power.. On my friend's 02 Sunfire, he had the CHEAP ABS, so he had to ease off on the brakes (using his discretion) when he needed to steer.. Because the CHEAP ABS on the Sunfire just clicks away the ABS w/o a SMART computer deciding how much traction is needed for steering and/or braking !!! This unwritten but field tested feature of the Elantra GT could be a life saver in an extreme braking situation..

SUSPENSION
I drove the car like a madman on the auto slalom.. Yes I hit a few cones until I got to know the vehicle's turning capabilities.. Anyway it handled the cones well, with the body roll being comfy even during reciprocating turns !!

SKIDDING
It is HARD to get this car to skid.. I was on the skid pad (going around at high speed in a large circle) and it took a ludicrous speed before I was losing traction on the ground.. This is a complete compliment to the suspension and well selected Michelin tires that come stock with the car.. My friend (who is one of the instructors), pointed out that the Traction Control light didn't even kick in yet !!

AFTER 10,000km's
Still mostly pleased but some MINOR qualms show up..

STONE CHIPS, a few flea sized ones are there.. But prolly because I drive 60km's each way to work on a highway.. My hood deflector saves the hood, but the fenders have the chips.. SO it's time I got some ChipGuard film installed on the fenders..

LOW CEILING I barely miss the ceiling in my NEW driving position.. I'm now more upright and ready for emergency maneuvers, per the instructions from Car Control school.. Anyway, I blame this (low ceiling) on the sunroof, my upright position, and my 6 ft frame..

So after 10,000km's and pushing the car at EXTREME Car Control conditions, what's the story ?? Toyota Corolla ? HAH!! If you wanna buy a fridge on wheels!! 2001-03 Honda Civic ? HAH!! If you wanna buy a Honda wanting to be a Corolla (re: wishbone suspension is now strut) !! Go test drive the Elantra GT and realize how WELL DUPED you've been by the new Corolla and Civic, they're just pretenders to their predecessor's throne.. While the 03 Elantra GT is no pretender, nor a dupe..

- HL